INTERVIEW From microfinance to social shake-up
By Marwaan Macan-Markar
BANGKOK - Having shaken up the conventions of banking by arguing that credit is
a fundamental right to help the poor in his native Bangladesh get loans for
small business ventures, Nobel Peace Laureate Muhammad Yunus has set his sights
on another shake-up: university education.
"Education needs to be integrated with life, with real experiences, action,"
said the man who became known as the "banker to the poor" for pioneering the
idea of microcredits for the economically
marginalized and establishing the Grameen Bank in Bangladesh in 1983. It is a
microfinance organization and community development bank that extends small
loans to the rural poor without requiring collateral.
Yunus won the Nobel Peace Prize in 2006 for his groundbreaking concept.
To pursue his new goal, the 69-year-old banker and economist launched the Yunus
Center this week at the Asian Institute of Technology (AIT), a center of
learning dedicated to an array of development programs located on the outskirts
of the Thai capital Bangkok. Yunus has had a long-standing relationship with
AIT, firmly believing in its mission as a regional university promoting
sustainable development.
Seed funding for the center will come from AIT while foundations and
development organizations like the Swedish International Development Agency
will also help finance the newly set up educational facility.
Set to open later this year, the center's declared mission is to lift rural
folk out of poverty by encouraging them to "handle and be in control of
improving their own livelihoods through their own farming and
agriculture-related business".
"We want to attract students who are interested in making an impact in their
societies through unique programs that they can implement," he told Inter Press
Service an interview that followed the launch of the Yunus Center on August 19.
Excerpts from the interview follow.
Inter Press Service: You have just set up an education center to
look at issues like food security, agriculture and lifting the poor out of
poverty. What is so unique about your center since there are others that have
the same mission?
Muhammad Yunus: It will be more than a research center. It is
going to be an action center. We are not going to produce papers, have the
students write theses. We want the students to design their own programs to
help local communities. The aim is to have it driven by experience and
engagement in life. The students can take one or two years or a little more to
finish their programs. That is how they will get their degree.
IPS: So you have in mind a new way of education?
MY: Yes. It is learning by doing and challenging other people
about what they have done and what needs to be done. The teachers in this
setting will be backbenchers. The students will take the lead. They will tell
their teachers about the plans they have, why they were chosen and how they
hope to implement them. And the teachers are not there to criticize the
students but to get to know more.
IPS: What inspired you to go down this road?
MY: I have always thought about this model of learning. Young
people should not be sitting in classrooms. They have tremendous capacity to
make change; they have tremendous energy. They should go out and deal with
problems directly and try to solve them.
IPS: Could it be that what you are doing here is following your
own story of working directly with the poor although you were trained to be a
professional economist, got a PhD and then taught in a conventional university
setting?
MY: Well, that is how my work began with Grameen Bank. True, that
is what I did after I came out of the university and started a grassroots bank
by working with the poor in the village next door. So, I am saying, enough
thesis writing; there are enough people to do that. But some people have to get
out and identify social problems in poor communities - whether it is about the
environment, problems of poverty, agriculture, poor health, housing - and solve
them directly. And if it is excellent work, these students will become an
example for their whole country.
IPS: Does it mean that universities and the traditional academic
community have failed in solving some areas that you are concerned about, like
agriculture or food security?
MY: There are a lot of gaps. Professors have no practical
knowledge. They live in ivory towers. Life has to be integrated into education
because life is changing, but education is lagging behind. Education should be
far ahead and not sharing old knowledge for the people. Education means trying
to bring future knowledge to the people so that they can go there.
IPS: But what about scientific contributions that were made
through the Green Revolution that researchers have been taking credit for to
solve hunger in this region?
MY: The best technological change for agriculture took place in
the 1960s through the Green Revolution. There was a sudden increase in the
yield of agriculture, rice. But after that it seems to have stayed there. We
have not seen a big jump in agriculture since then. In the meantime, the world
has changed, but the changes in agriculture have been slow. The food supply is
growing slower while the market is expanding.
IPS: Why do you think the scientific contributions to agriculture
have not kept pace with the world's changes?
MY: Because there are more exciting areas where science can
concentrate on and where the money is going, like communication technology and
mobile phones. There is a big market for them; they are drawing the attention
of millions of people who want to have mobile phones in their hands. The big
money calculations went in that direction, but agriculture was not seen as an
exciting, moneymaking area. So it has to come as a social business - this is
the idea that I am promoting through this new center. It is about making an
impact in society than making money.
IPS: But you are up against demographic trends, where young
people in rural areas are moving to the city because of the jobs and the
excitement it offers. How do you make a life in agriculture happy for young
people?
MY: Today, the way the moneymaking economy is built, everybody is
trying to find where the money is, and they may not want to sit in a village
because there is no money there. But when you break out of that paradigm that
that is how life should be and say, "I can be happy making an impact by solving
people's problems and their lives," you see things differently. The focus then
becomes about social impact. A commitment. A dedication. It is something that
comes from their own heart and not because somebody is paying them money to do
so.
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